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Member Workshop: A good foundation–the basis for any eBay business-May 21
View Listings | Report Apr-30-08 02:27 PDT
Topic: Member Workshop: A good foundation – the basis for any eBay business

Host: keepmore/sagefire
Date: Wednesday 05/21
Time: 12:00 p.m. to 1:00 p.m. Pacific time
Location: Workshop Board

Description: Please join Phyllis Wischer, Business Success Coach for SageFire, Inc., Certified Solution Provider and creator of KeepMore.net, as she outlines what steps you might want to take before starting your own eBay business; or, moving you eBay hobby to an eBay business. These steps will help you build the basis of a good foundation for your eBay business. If you have already started your business, you may want to participate in the workshop to determine if you still have steps to take to be sure you have followed sound business practices in building your business.

Cheers,

Deirdre
eBay Community Development
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View Listings | Report May-21-08 11:57 PDT 1 of 44
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) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:00 PDT 2 of 44
Hello

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:03 PDT 3 of 44
Hello, thanks for this workshop!

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:03 PDT 4 of 44

Hello everyone and thanks for joining us today. My name is Phyllis Wischer. I am an eBay Education Specialist and co-founder and Business Success Coach for Certified Solution Provider SageFire, Inc. - creators of KeepMore.net. I am also a Public Accountant with over 20 years experience in helping thousands of small business owners with their bookkeeping, accounting, payroll and tax needs.

As a Certified Solution Provider, SageFire specializes in helping small business owners' track their business financial activity using its online accounting, contact management and document storage solution. Our solution, KeepMore.net makes it simple for you track your business while maximizing your tax benefits.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:03 PDT 5 of 44
Hi Deidre ~

I am not new to Ebay selling but have only done it as a hobby. I am considering stepping it up and selling more. At this time, I am not sure I want to do more than sell all the stuff I have around the house to get rid of. Would it benefit me to start out with the basic ebay store? If so, how?

Thank you,
thankful-1

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:03 PDT 6 of 44

The basis for a good solid business foundation is just like the foundation for constructing a building; the stronger the foundation the better. Up until a few years ago, people would open an eBay account, start selling used items from their home and get excited as they saw discretionary funds building in their bank account. Next thing, they were offering to sell items for their family, friends and neighbors for a small fee. Never once did most of them consider this a business. However, times have changed and so must most eBay sellers.

The term 'Tax Gap' is heard quite often these days and relates to the IRS and small businesses of every type. But online auction businesses seem to be getting more than their fair share of attention. That is why eBay sellers must have a better understanding the term eBay business and what it takes to build a solid foundation for that business.

During today's session we are going to discuss:


  • The Tax Gap, the IRS and you!

  • Do you have an eBay hobby or do you have an eBay business?

  • Building a good foundation - a checklist for starting a new business or checking the foundation of your eBay business today

  • Other things to consider for your eBay business



Before we go any further, I want to remind you that I am not here to provide tax advice, just some basic information about building a solid foundation for your business. For your specific tax situation, I recommend you consult with your tax advisor.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:05 PDT 7 of 44
One of the biggest questions regarding going from hobby to business is inventory. You have stuff you would like to sell, you have had it for years, how do you determine cost of goods?

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:07 PDT 8 of 44
thankful-1 - Thank you for the question you directed to Deidre. I would like to add to any comment she may make that attending this workshop will be a step in the right direction. You may get some of your questions answered and then follow up with a visit with your tax advisor.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:09 PDT 9 of 44
The Tax Gap, the IRS and you!

The term Tax Gap is used to explain the difference between what a taxpayer owes and the amount of tax the taxpayer actually pays. In June 2006, the IRS announced it completed a National Research Program, a study to measure reporting compliance and determining the tax gap. In their study of individual tax returns for the year 2001, they determined that the largest component of the tax gap comes from unreported and underreported income. Non-filing and underpayment of tax comprise the remainder of the tax gap. The data suggested that well over half ($109 billion) of the underreporting gap came from understated net business income - underreported receipts and overstated expenses.

According to eBay, in Q1-08, gross merchandise volume (GMV), the total value of all successfully closed items on eBay Inc.'s trading platforms, was $16.0 billion. Total GMV for the full year 2007 was more than $59 billion. eBay Marketplaces has approximately 83.9 million active users worldwide. http://news.ebay.com/fastfacts_ebay_marketplace.cfm

Can you imagine the billions of dollars of unreported and underreported income if their study researched 2006 or 2007 individual tax returns?

It is understandable, from the information above, that the IRS is taking an aggressive stand on unreported and underreported income. They have even hired and trained more revenue agents. This aggressive stand could include an audit of your eBay activity - an audit of the items you sell on eBay.

Don't wait for an audit. According to Cliff Ennico, a lawyer specializing in legal and tax issues for small businesses, a popular instructor at eBay University and eBay Live in his most recent book The eBay Seller's Tax and Legal Answer Book, "You have to pay income tax on every penny of profit you make on eBay - even if you make just one dollar, and even if you think of your eBay selling as a hobby rather than a business." Now it's up to you, with the help of your tax advisor, to determine if you have an eBay hobby or an eBay business. Here are some interesting facts about hobby vs. business.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:10 PDT 10 of 44
I'm a little confused about the eBay store. I am considering a one month trial to see if it's what I need but cannot determine the fees. Besides the fee for the store, and the fee for each item in the store, if the item is put up for "auction" are there the usual fees in doing this? And - final value: is it more for the store? Is the fee different if sold as "auction" rather than sold in the store?

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:11 PDT 11 of 44
But what about selling your own stuff that you paid for with after tax dollars? How can the sale of this item be classified as INCOME?

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:13 PDT 12 of 44
Do you have an eBay hobby or do you have an eBay business?

Is it time you looked at your eBay activity as a business?

The first thing to think about is how the IRS would classify your eBay activity during an audit.

    Some of the things the IRS consider:
  • How much time and effort you devote to the enterprise

  • Whether the activity makes a profit in some years and, if so, how much and how often

  • Whether you depend on income from the activity for your livelihood

  • Here is a link to the IRS web site for online auction sellers - this could help you determine if you have an eBay business.


http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/industries/article/0,,id=163622,00.html

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:14 PDT 13 of 44

The next thing to consider is the tax consequences of hobby versus business.

    Tax consequences to consider:

    Hobby
  • Hobby income is reported 100% as income

  • Hobby expenses are reported on your Schedule A and limited to 2% of adjusted gross income and Standard Deduction limitations (but first you must qualify to itemize)

  • Deduction of Home Office and inventory storage at your home is not allowed when you classify your eBay activity as a hobby

  • Business
  • Business income is reported on your business tax form

  • Business expenses are reported on the same tax form with no 2% or Standard Deduction limitations

  • Deduction of Home Office and inventory storage at your home is allowed. Normally this deduction alone gives a great deal of value when considering treating your hobby as a business


Because everyone's tax situation is different, I highly recommend that you visit with your tax advisor to get a better understanding of how the IRS would classify your eBay activity and the tax consequences for you of a business versus hobby ruling.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:14 PDT 14 of 44
Hi Phyllis- Thank you for holding this workshop. Can I claim any tax break for goods I sold at a lost or goods I have yet to sell? Also, what is the process of paying my California taxes as a reseller? I am already charging customers in California tax.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:15 PDT 15 of 44
mrsmulberry - our workshop today details information about starting your business or, if already started, confirming you have taken all the necessary stops to build a good foundation for your business. Our April workshop titled - Cost of Goods and Inventory – how these affect your eBay business - would be an excellent workshop for you to possibly get answers to your questions. Go to the Community Page on eBay and scroll down to Workshops and look for archived copies of past workshops. Again, our April 16th workshop will help you.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:16 PDT 16 of 44
Building a good foundation - a checklist for starting a new business or checking the foundation of your eBay business today

We have provided you with a lot of information. It's time to think about building that solid foundation if you are doing eBay as a business. Use the checklist below to help you during the process of creating an eBay business; or, if you have already started your business, use it as a checklist to be sure you have built your business on a solid foundation.


  • Hire an accountant or tax advisor. If you need help, go to your favorite search engine and type in 'questions to ask an accountant'. Then do an interview process with 3-5 professionals until you find the one that you will be comfortable working with. Remember, you should be able to discuss your business, tax and financials matters with them easily and not be intimidated by them.

  • Discuss the different business entity choices with your new advisor and choose an entity that fits your business needs. You have several options including incorporation, limited liability company (LLC), partnership or sole proprietor. Discuss the option of selecting Subchapter S status (S-Corporation) for your business.

  • Consult with an attorney regarding the federal and state laws governing the creation, ownership and operation of the business entity you have selected. It is an absolute waste of money to set up a business entity with any kind of liability protection if you have not used an attorney to do so. Who would know the legal structure you require for liability protection better than an attorney. Again, you should use an attorney that you feel you can discuss your business, tax and financials matters with easily and not be intimidated by them.

  • You will need to file all the required paper work with the IRS, state and local authorities. You need to determine who will be responsible for filing these documents and then follow up to be sure the documents have been filed.


    • File with your state for trade name, certificate of assumed name or DBA. Click link below to get more information about doing business in your state.
      http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/link/forms.html

    • Obtain a federal employer identification number (EIN) - required for corporations, partnerships, LLC's, and any business entity that will have payroll and payroll tax liabilities - click link below more information.
      http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fss4.pdf?portlet=3
    • File incorporation, limited liability company (LLC) or partnership documents with your state.

    • Obtain state tax identification numbers.

    • File required documents with state unemployment and sales tax authorities

    • Obtain required city/county/local business licenses and permits.


  • If you have not already done so, open an eBay and PayPal account. It's simple and easy to do; and, it's free. Click on the link below to start this process.
    https://scgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?RegisterEnterInfo
  • Establish a business checking account. I cannot stress enough the importance of separating your business banking transactions from your personal banking transactions. This is probably one of the first things the IRS will ask you during an audit. Again, you have wasted a lot of time and money setting up your business if you do not keep separate banking and credit card accounts.

  • Conduct the necessary corporate or other organizational meetings required for your business entity. Be sure your attorney has provided you with the information you need to meet these requirements on starting your business and then annually thereafter.

  • Consult with an insurance professional to obtain, if necessary, business liability and worker's compensation insurance.

  • Establish a method to track your business income and expenses. Depending on the size of your business, a simple, easy to use tool like KeepMore.net will give you all the information you need to accurately track you eBay business activity. With the automatic import of all your eBay bought and sold items you save time and money. With its online application and backup of your information, you have peace of mind knowing that your data is safe and secure. With its auto mileage tracker, contact management and document storage tools, you have your entire back office solution in one place. And, best of all, you will have all the documentation necessary for a complete and accurate tax return. To learn more about KeepMore.net, please check our website at http://www.KeepMore.net/eBay/.

  • Consult with your tax advisor about the advantage of hiring your spouse as your first employee.

  • Start business operations


The checklist above is to be used as a guide; however, it is no substitute for legal, tax or financial advise that be furnished only by qualified professionals licensed to do business in your state.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:17 PDT 17 of 44
Thank you, Phyllis! Just what I was looking for!

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:17 PDT 18 of 44
2ledby1 - Thank you for attending the workshop, however, as stated this workshop is built to help you determine the steps you need to take to start an eBay business.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:18 PDT 19 of 44
mrsmulberry - Again, we refer you to our April workshop covering cost of goods sold.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:19 PDT 20 of 44
Does my Ebay store name have to match my business name exactly?

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:22 PDT 21 of 44
pinkmochie - We have included in our workshop today a link to the state offices where you can get answers to your questions regarding collecting and remitting sales tax. This link is included in Post 16. Our workshop today is a checklist of things you must think about and things you should do when you have an eBay business.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:25 PDT 22 of 44
Other things to consider for your eBay business

Once you have opened your eBay account, you need to familiarize yourself with all the resources that are available through eBay.

The Community (http://hub.ebay.com/community) page provides links to valuable resources like the workshop you are attending today, a Help Center and Learning Center just to name a few.

The Site Map (http://pages.ebay.com/sitemap.html) gives you links to all kinds of valuable information including eBay Certified Providers (http://certifiedprovider.ebay.com) like SageFire with our KeepMore.net tool, WhatDoISell (http://www.whatdoisell.com/) with its product sourcing help, Terapeak (http://www.terapeak.com/) and Worldwide Brands (http://www.worldwidebrands.com/). You should take time to learn about all the resources available to help you succeed with your eBay business.

For additional information about owning and operating your own eBay business, we recommend the following:


  • The Official eBay Bible, by Jim "Griff" Griffith, Dean of eBay Education

  • The eBay Seller's Tax and Legal Answer Book, by Cliff Ennico, an attorney who specializes in legal and tax issues for small businesses and a popular instructor at eBay University and eBay live

  • Small Business Survival Guide, Starting, Protecting, and Securing Your Business for Long-Term Success, by Cliff Ennico

  • The Complete Idiot's Guide to Starting an eBay Business, 2nd Edition, by Barbara Weltman and Malcomi Katt. Ms. Weltman is a noted author, respected tax attorney, leading authority on small business and Guest Speaker at eBay Live. You can access her web site by clicking on the link below to sign up for free daily tips for small business owners and a free monthly newsletter.


  • http://barbaraweltman.com/

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:26 PDT 23 of 44
At this point, we have about 35 minutes left in the workshop. If you have any questions about the presented material, please speak up!

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:27 PDT 24 of 44
Yes, could you address my question regarding ebay store name and actual business name? thanks.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:28 PDT 25 of 44
Hi,
Do you recommend paying estimated taxes, or is it okay just to pay whatever income tax is owed at the end of the year?

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:28 PDT 26 of 44
sorry, it was post #20

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:30 PDT 27 of 44
mrsmulberry: here's a link to that past workshop on COGS:
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?messageID=2010058510

View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:32 PDT 28 of 44
Hi mrsmulberry:

You'll find lots of great information on 'branding' (re: post #20) in the Workshop Archives:

http://forums.ebay.com/forum.jsp?forum=93

Thanks,

Deirdre
eBay Community Development

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:32 PDT 29 of 44
Phyllis, presented is info on LLP and INC, etc. Before I can decide between "hobby" and "business" I have questions based on what's been presented: is a DBA alone good enough for a small business from home? If my husband and I are selling together will one of us be considered an "employee" by the IRS?

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:34 PDT 30 of 44
Maybe I am not being as clear as possible...when I form a business as a bona fide business entity, does my Ebay store name have to match it exactly? thanks

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:39 PDT 31 of 44
mrsmulberry - The link in Post 16 to the individual state offices is the place to start to get an answer to your question. Each state has different rules and regulations regarding starting and registering your own eBay business.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:40 PDT 32 of 44
We currently already have a brick&mortar business, but are trying to branch out by selling online on eBay. Would our eBay business fall under the same business name? Even though are ebay account is under a different name? And could we deduct our eBay inventory?

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:41 PDT 33 of 44
yeahilikeit! - We do not offer tax advise including when or how to make estimated payments. You will need to talk to your tax advisor regarding your own tax situation.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:42 PDT 34 of 44
Phyllis - great information and thanks for putting so much in here for us in such a concise manner. I truly appreciate it. You have saved me hours of research. Kris

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:44 PDT 35 of 44
Are you positing that the legal/tax aspects are, in fact, the foundation of the business?

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:45 PDT 36 of 44
2ledby1 - Normally a DBA would be good enough for a small sole proprietorship. However, each state has its own rules and regulations. Please confirm with your tax advisor about using a DBA for your business. Also, please consult with your tax advisor about the benefits of hiring your husband to work for you. Because everyone's tax situation is different there is no one answer to this question.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:50 PDT 37 of 44
pinkmochie - we're not here to give tax advice, but I don't see why you couldn't sell the same items you sell in your B&M store on eBay. eBay is just another storefront.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:51 PDT 38 of 44
badapple419 - A good foundation for your business is to be sure that you have thought about and taken all the necessary steps to build a successful business. The workshop is simply a tool to help you think of things you might not have thought about.

) View Listings | Report May-21-08 12:54 PDT 39 of 44
I understand your point. Thank you.

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